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The Man Who Died Twice: (The Thursday Murder Club 2)

The Man Who Died Twice: (The Thursday Murder Club 2)

byRichard Osman
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Liz
5.0 out of 5 starsEnjoy it for the daft bit of fun that it is
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 18 September 2021
I have read a few negative reviews of this book on here, and in my opinion they all have one thing in common. Namely that they are taking it far too seriously, much more seriously than it is intended to be taken. If this book were a bottle of wine it would be of the popular 'quaffable' variety that wine snobs look down their noses at. In other words, this book, metaphorically speaking, is not intended to be rolled around the inside of a carefully chosen glass, sniffed, gurgled, analysed and picked apart for the benefit of other snobs. It is simply intended to be enjoyed and to make you feel good. On that front it cannot be faulted. I loved it for its daftness and improbability and I read it from start to finish in one sitting. However, if you are hoping for a serious and plausible whodunnit with believable, realistic characters then you are going to be disappointed.
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Siltone
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3.0 out of 5 starsFar too much waffling!
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 17 September 2021
It really doesn’t give me any pleasure to write this mainly negative review. I mention that because I thoroughly enjoyed the first book in this series, in fact I gave it a glowing 5 star Amazon review when I read it last year. However, I’m afraid this second outing just didn’t cut the mustard as far as I’m concerned.

As with Mr Osman’s debut novel, I sat down with this one eagerly anticipating the cozy mystery which would no doubt await me. So, I eased into my comfy armchair, a pot of freshly brewed tea sitting on the side table, and began turning those pages (on my Kindle). And you know what, I was soon whisked back to the lovely Coopers Chase retirement village, and it was so nice to get reacquainted with Elizabeth, Joyce, Ron, and Ibrahim, those elderly, self-appointed sleuths - aka The Thursday Murder Club. For a couple of hours I was really enjoying myself, and I soon got caught up in the lives of these likeable characters. In this outing, Elizabeth receives an unexpected letter, delivered under her door, and originating from someone from her younger days. This ‘blast from the past’ character is central to a plot that eventually develops into a case for the four amateur detectives to solve. So, at this stage in the story I was hopeful that this second novel was going to be at least as good, if not better, than the first one. However, after another few chapters my heart began to sink, and I found myself struggling to keep interested in a story that slowly but surely meandered all over the place, and got sillier by the minute.

The writing here is undemanding, with short, bite-size chapters, so regardless of my misgivings, I was still able to soldier on in order to (a) find out what happens in the end, and (b) enjoy the occasional funny quip or observation. However, hand on heart, the escapades of the main and supporting characters in this somewhat crazy plot really did get farcical, and my patience was tested many times. There were all sorts of silly shenanigans going on involving a local drug dealer, £20 million in stolen diamonds, the head of an American/Mexican cartel, and several cold-blooded murderers etc. Interspersed with the action was the romantic exploits of DCI Chris Hudson, who decides to have a fling with his assistant’s mother - those interactions were often cringeworthy to say the least. In fact many of the sections relating to Chris Hudson had me rolling my eyes. One paragraph (I kid you not) is devoted to Chris’s views on peppers. Here’s a one sentence quote from that same paragraph: ‘Chris had always fantasised about being the sort of man who might buy the red, yellow and green peppers.’ 🤔 Makes me wonder how he ever made it to a DCI! Another irritation were the chapters headed: Joyce, which is where the reader gets to see what Joyce writes in her daily diary, this is ‘wittering on’ taken to a new, extreme level - you have been warned!

The bottom line is that I came away from this novel sadly disappointed. One thing is for sure, this was £9.99 NOT WELL SPENT! Despite my many quibbles though, I’ve given this book three generous Amazon stars because of the entertainment value at the beginning, and the odd moments of humour peppered throughout this nonsense. Many thanks for checking out my review, I hope you found my comments and observation throughout useful. Oh, and I’d like to leave you with a quote I rather like: A room without books is like a body without a soul….
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Siltone
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3.0 out of 5 stars Far too much waffling!
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 17 September 2021
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It really doesn’t give me any pleasure to write this mainly negative review. I mention that because I thoroughly enjoyed the first book in this series, in fact I gave it a glowing 5 star Amazon review when I read it last year. However, I’m afraid this second outing just didn’t cut the mustard as far as I’m concerned.

As with Mr Osman’s debut novel, I sat down with this one eagerly anticipating the cozy mystery which would no doubt await me. So, I eased into my comfy armchair, a pot of freshly brewed tea sitting on the side table, and began turning those pages (on my Kindle). And you know what, I was soon whisked back to the lovely Coopers Chase retirement village, and it was so nice to get reacquainted with Elizabeth, Joyce, Ron, and Ibrahim, those elderly, self-appointed sleuths - aka The Thursday Murder Club. For a couple of hours I was really enjoying myself, and I soon got caught up in the lives of these likeable characters. In this outing, Elizabeth receives an unexpected letter, delivered under her door, and originating from someone from her younger days. This ‘blast from the past’ character is central to a plot that eventually develops into a case for the four amateur detectives to solve. So, at this stage in the story I was hopeful that this second novel was going to be at least as good, if not better, than the first one. However, after another few chapters my heart began to sink, and I found myself struggling to keep interested in a story that slowly but surely meandered all over the place, and got sillier by the minute.

The writing here is undemanding, with short, bite-size chapters, so regardless of my misgivings, I was still able to soldier on in order to (a) find out what happens in the end, and (b) enjoy the occasional funny quip or observation. However, hand on heart, the escapades of the main and supporting characters in this somewhat crazy plot really did get farcical, and my patience was tested many times. There were all sorts of silly shenanigans going on involving a local drug dealer, £20 million in stolen diamonds, the head of an American/Mexican cartel, and several cold-blooded murderers etc. Interspersed with the action was the romantic exploits of DCI Chris Hudson, who decides to have a fling with his assistant’s mother - those interactions were often cringeworthy to say the least. In fact many of the sections relating to Chris Hudson had me rolling my eyes. One paragraph (I kid you not) is devoted to Chris’s views on peppers. Here’s a one sentence quote from that same paragraph: ‘Chris had always fantasised about being the sort of man who might buy the red, yellow and green peppers.’ 🤔 Makes me wonder how he ever made it to a DCI! Another irritation were the chapters headed: Joyce, which is where the reader gets to see what Joyce writes in her daily diary, this is ‘wittering on’ taken to a new, extreme level - you have been warned!

The bottom line is that I came away from this novel sadly disappointed. One thing is for sure, this was £9.99 NOT WELL SPENT! Despite my many quibbles though, I’ve given this book three generous Amazon stars because of the entertainment value at the beginning, and the odd moments of humour peppered throughout this nonsense. Many thanks for checking out my review, I hope you found my comments and observation throughout useful. Oh, and I’d like to leave you with a quote I rather like: A room without books is like a body without a soul….
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D. Sanders
3.0 out of 5 stars Not a great sequel.
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 October 2021
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Richard is a very clever and successful man but, sorry, he is not a great author. I enjoyed The Thursday Murder Club as it was different and the plot around the 4 main characters in the retirement home was a plausible, if eccentric one, although you could find a number of holes in the story. What is this second book, crime, comedy or farce, a bit of all three and that is part of the problem. We lose the cosy relationship between the four club members as we encompass drug dealing, international crime, mafia, MI5, you name it they are involved! The book is 420 pages and there are a lot of side stories that add little or nothing to the main story. Agatha Christie with both Miss Marple and Poirot showed the police to be inadequate to her characters but in a believable way. The depiction of Chris and Donna the local CID is ridiculous. The way that they get involved with the club members including supplying confidential information would result in their removal from office many times over. I know this is meant to be a light hearted comedy but you need to write that around a storyline that has some plausibility.
NOW FOR SOME SPOILERS SO DO NOT READ ON IF YOU WANT TO AVOID SOME DETAIL.
Elizabeth gives Bogdan £10K in cash to buy drugs in the sting on Ryan, where does she get the cash?
In one chapter police from London are brought in to help with the Connie, Ryan drug story. But then no mention and the local police continue with the case.
Ron acts as a plumberto plant drugs in Ryan's cistern as a sting. The police are told where to find them and he is charged. A defence lawyer would be all over that.
The Mafia guy flies in to a private airport and there are Elizabeth and Joyce with taxi they persuade him to travel in. I think a Mafia boss would have been picked up by a trusted accomplice.
Near the end Bogdan shoots Sue, the MI5 agent, in the shoulder. This was all with goid intentions but no mention that he might be charged with an offence?
I could go on with many other examples. Maybe I am over thinking this?
Finally we have the ending which I will not spoil. Suffice to say I got to the final chapter to find a new character and was completely confused until the end. Apparently this type of ending was one Richard had read in a book 30 years ago and wanted to repeat.

Well I will leave it here. Finally if you want to read a good series of crime novels I suggest Anna Legat. She probable sells a fraction of Richard's but I think you would enjoy her modern twist of a combination of Miss Marple and Midsomer Murders. I have nothing to do with Anna but found her books recently through an ex colleague of mine.
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3.0 out of 5 stars Too long, too much tedious chattering about not a lot, adding nothing. Interesting plot.
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 21 June 2022
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An easy read, and in general I'm a fan of Richard Osman, but to me - an author struggling to get published - this book is guilty of many of the things I have been repeatedly told a writer should not do.
For a start it is 100-150 pages too long. A good editing would remove the pointless chapters and boring, over-long dialogue. Could it be that Penguin didn't bother with a deep edit because they knew the book would sell fantastically well on the back of the first? I understand that this type of dialogue is intended as an indication of character, but I don't need to be reminded every few pages that these are a bunch of geriatrics, with typically parochial interests and attitudes beyond the Murder Club. For example, Chapter 42, about Ron and his grandson (another character, plus the named taxi driver), highlighting Ron's ignorance of Smart TV's and Minecraft, serves no purpose other than to create a pause before a big reveal, or not (it is half-way through the book, so it's predictable it is not going to be the reveal that would have ended the story!) There are several instances where these place-marker chapters are added simply to keep the reader in suspense. I understand that this might meet with genre expectations, but then, that is the reason I am not a great fan of thrillers. The worst culprits in this sense are Joyce's diary entries, which are largely about trivia, and used as a clumsy reprise of what has already happened.
There are also too many named characters - I counted 19 in the first 125-odd pages!
Another problem is the repeated change of point of view, both from chapter to chapter, but also within a chapter. Chapter 36 starts with one of the characters recalling a childhood incident, then switches to a present time situation involving him and others, then back to his reminiscence.
There are also a couple of knowing authorial asides which do not sit well, eg on page 200 "That's why Sue had driven down through the dusk. Good luck with that, Sue." Who is saying this? Mr Osman, of course. Fine on House of Games, but not in a novel.
There are also plot lines that figure quite strongly in the first few chapters (a policeman having an affair with his partner's mother) which disappear for 100's of pages, raising the question: what purpose do they serve?
Finally, and I appreciate this is entirely subjective, I did not find it particularly funny. Yes, we can smile at the parochial attitudes and shortcomings of the characters, but as a 400+ page read, while it is occasionally, mildly amusing in a knowing and ironic way (which is where the author excels on TV), there are no belly laughs.
Disappointing! Would it have been published in this state if it wasn't written by Richard Osman? I don't know.
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CarolK
3.0 out of 5 stars Not exactly a page turner
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 19 October 2021
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Having found Osman’s first novel gently endearing but somewhat mediocre in terms of pace and plot, I nevertheless thought I’d give this second book a try. Sadly, it was more of the same, with the plot rather confused at times and almost too many characters flitting in and out. As a bedtime read, I didn’t have that “can’t wait to get back to it” feeling and the ending can only be described as disappointingly limp. Sorry Richard. Maybe more of your special brand of humour next time?
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Bendigedig
3.0 out of 5 stars A rather complex tale
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 13 October 2021
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Sadly I didn't find it as good as the first book, it was too convoluted and hard to keep track of the huge amount of characters- though thankfully one of the narrators did provide great humour!
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Tone the Cone
3.0 out of 5 stars The Eliabeth Show? Or Modern Day Miss Marple?
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 11 April 2022
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I found this book a bit of a disappointment following the first in this series.
The book is a fun read, quite light hearted and quick to get through.
But I found this story was 95% Elizabeth coming up with all the answers, even though its based on her ex husband, the others ( including the police) all running around at her commands for her master plan.
Maybe it should be the modern Miss Marple books as she really is taking the limelight, where the rest dont gat a look in.
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mr m w warrender
3.0 out of 5 stars Interesting style
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 14 April 2022
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In my time I’ve read hundreds of books, maybe in the thousands. Few are page turners, most have a story with packing or descriptions to add the required number of words to create a novel. This seems to be made up of the packing with a thin story running through it. However, I stuck with it and in the end enjoyed it. I’ll probably buy another. The jury is out.
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mikewilson
3.0 out of 5 stars Too many holes in the plot.
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 6 October 2021
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Connie would have known that Ryan got stitched up for 10k's worth of Coke by a guy dressed up as a plumber which she originally supplied. Written with Television in mind. I loved the first one though and have pre-ordered the third one.
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A Reader
3.0 out of 5 stars Disappointing
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 5 February 2022
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I bought this straight after reading and really enjoying the first book. Fifty pages in I thought this was going to turn out better than the first one. But no, I found it descended into a story all too far fetched for comfort and I couldn't wait to get to the end to be honest. I really like Richard Osman but I think I'm now done with the Thursday Murder Club I'm afraid.
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3.0 out of 5 stars Disappointed
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 6 November 2021
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Dont believe all the great reviews this novel has received. It was mediocre. Some unbelievable plot lines. Did not engage with any of the characters. Regretted buying hardback when it came out. Did not inspire me to read the others.
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